Geert Wilders at 9/11 Rally in NYC —

Portions of Dutch politician and anti-Sharia freedom fighter Geert Wilders speech here, with a hat tip to Urban Infidel

He states: “A tolerant society is not a suicidal society.”

Part one: (without the intro)

part two:

part three:

And, a portion of a transcript of his speech here:

Most Americans do not want this so-called Cordoba Mosque to be built here. They understand that it is both a provocation and a humiliation. They understand the triumphant narrative of a mosque named after the Great Mosque of Cordoba which was constructed where a Christian cathedral stood before the land was conquered by Islam.

An overwhelming majority of Americans is opposed to building an Islamic cultural center close to Ground Zero. There is no lack of mosques in New York. There are dozens of buildings in which Muslims can pray. It isn’t about a lack of space for prayers.

It’s about the symbolic meaning. We who have come to speak today, object to this mosque project because its promoter and his wealthy sponsors have never suggested building a center to promote tolerance and interfaith understanding where it is really needed: In Mecca – a town where non-Muslims are not even allowed to enter, let alone build churches, synagogues, temples or community centers.

Ordinary Americans object to the mosque project because currently no fewer than ten major multi-million dollar mosque projects are being planned in the United States as well as dozens in Europe, while not a single church is allowed in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, while Jews are not even allowed to move their lips in prayer on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, while the oldest Christians in the world, the Copts, are not free to renovate their churches, let alone to build one in Egypt.

My friends, that is why we are here today. What happens in New York must be seen in the perspective of the world.

The events nine years ago made an enormous impact everywhere. Most people shared your pain, but, unfortunately, some did not.

Nine years ago, when the news of the terrible atrocity in New York reached Europe, Muslim youths danced in the streets. In a poll, two thirds of the Muslim immigrants in the Netherlands expressed partial or full understanding for the 9/11 terrorists.

If a mosque were built here on Ground Zero such people would feel triumphant. But we, we will not betray those who died on 9/11.

The full transcript is available here: NYC speech 9/11 Geert Wilders
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Is it any wonder that a well-known Australian Imam, Feiz Muhammad, has called for his beheading? What is more remarkable is that Wilders was put on trial in the Netherlands for “hate speech” and at one time, not allowed into the UK because of this same so-called “hate speech”. I keep saying this, but it cannot be emphasized enough — Americans would do well to heed the warnings of the European response to the ongoing cultural and terrorist Jihad on its soil. Never allow “hate speech” laws to come into existence. This is unlikely here because of our First Amendment, but it is nonetheless the trend on college campuses and elsewhere to restrain or censor politically charged speech, or even ordinary everyday speech, in order to keep groups that are perceived as “victim” groups from offense. This can only lead to a normalizing of speech censorship on political grounds. After that, truth becomes harder to ascertain as debate is squelched. I know I keep bringing this up people, but let’s face it — it is more important to have a society that allows debate and an open exchange of ideas than it is to have a society where no one is ever offended. And, of course, the Feiz Muhammads of the world are made only more powerful when free speech is squelched. Here, about his threat to Gilders:


Sydney-born Feiz Muhammad posted a speech on an Internet site in which he condemned Mr Wilders as “this Satan, this devil, this politician in Holland” and called on his followers to “chop off his head” because Wilders “denigrated” Islam.
A report in De Telegraaf newspaper said Muhammad declared that anyone who talks about Islam like Wilders does should be executed by beheading.

The Freedom Party led by Mr Wilders scored the biggest gains in June 9 polls and is currently negotiating to form a new minority government with the Liberals and Christian Democrats. Polls show Wilders would win a new election if one were called now.

Ground Zero Freedom Rally draws 40,000 in NYC – No Mosque at Ground Zero

I’m spreading the word here on the huge rally in NYC that is getting very little coverage in the media – the FDI – SIOA Ground Zero Rally that drew an extraordinary estimated 40,000 people. They were of all political stripes and represented both parties, and a wide swathe of the races and religions of the USA. There were also family members of 9/11 victims. Organized by the irrepressible author and blogger Pamela Geller of “Atlas Shrugs” and here, her coverage from her blog:
America Speaks! Historic 9/11 Rally draws 40,000

Geert Wilders spoke and US Ambassador John Bolton, as well as Joseph Nasralla who spoke passionately of his love for America and about the persecution of Coptic Christians by Muslims in Egypt.

Wilders said:
“Did New York deserve this? Did America deserve this? Did the West deserve this? What, my friends, would you say to people who argue that New York, that America, that the West had itself to blame for those horrible sounds?

There are people in this city who argue this. And they are angry because we are gathered here today to commemorate, to make a stand, to draw the line. My friends, I have come from the other side of the Atlantic to share your grief for those who died here nine years ago. I have not forgotten how I felt that day.”

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Most unfortunately, the Imam who is pushing for the GZ Mosque/community center does believe and has stated that the USA is to blame for the attacks. A man who voted for Obama comments to great effect:

“I campaigned for Obama in 2008 in DC and VA, so I am not Pamela Geller’s natural audience, to say the least. And I actually supported this mosque – loudly – when I first heard about it. But the more I learned, the more I have read, the more I realized I was simply wrong.

To have planned its opening for 9/11/2011, even as an initial draft, shocks the conscience. While some have characterized Abdul-Rauf as pro-American, if he blames the U.S. in part as an accessory for 9/11 and has not repudiated the comment, it’s for shame. It would be nice if Islam were like the Bahai faith that it persecutes – non-proselytizing, pro-equality, pro-peace, pro-science. But it’s the opposite of these things. And naming it after an Islamic conquest in Christian Europe – well in poker we call that a tell. Reading selections of ibn Warraq’s Why I Am Not a Muslim was also instructive.

I don’t know if I agree with all of Geert Wilders’ agenda – banning books and taxing burkas seems a bit silly and bizarre. But his basic point – that Islam has a predatory character and seeks conquest or at least jurisdiction over the planet, and is a hazard to Enlightenment values – would get him my vote. Even 8 weeks ago, I’d have dismissed Pamela Geller as a nut. Now I want to buy her book. If this means I don’t get invited to any cocktail parties on the Upper West Side for the rest of my life, fine; beer and a shot in East Baltimore work for me.”

(note from Pamela on Wilders) For the record, Wilders call to ban the qu’ran has to be understood in the context of Dutch law which does ban books. Wilders said if Mein Kamf is banned, the qu’ran should be too. It was a call for a consistent application of existing Dutch law.

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While here in the Bay Area there are marches and vigils for interfaith tolerance and “love”, the simple fact is that radical Islam has no such love and tolerance and never will. The Islam that wishes to destroy this country and the west is not tolerant and views “tolerance” as weakness and vulnerability, as a bully would. While there are certainly many moderate Muslims and some of these were even present at the rally in NY, a Radical Islam is still at war with the west and with the United States. I am afraid that many of the people here who marched for peace and tolerance are naive. There can only be victory over tyrannical ideologies and never tolerance.

Instead of Mosques – more sex stores! A Gay Libertarian Palin Supporter Speaks

Trawling about on the web, you find all kinds of gems. Here’s a funny, irreverent post from someone I just discovered, Alex Knepper, a pro-Palin, libertarian-conservative, gay Republican according to Libertarian Republican .

And, right from Knepper’s article in the Daily Caller, I quote:

“First of all, I like sex. I don’t like Islam and Islam doesn’t like sex, so I figure I’m striking two blows against religious puritanism with such a proposal. America’s refusal to censor pornography and sexual expression is glorious. Contrary to the overtones of the self-righteous neo-Victorians of the left, complaining about “sleaze,” there’s really nothing wrong with strip clubs or sex stores. Would Ayman al-Zawahiri frequent the Pussycat Lounge?

I’m not being facetious. I loathe this proposed mosque. The imam is clearly a “moderate” only insofar as he doesn’t want to blow up buildings, and, as an atheist, I don’t exactly oppose Islam on the grounds that Muslims need them some Jesus. Moreover, I’m a proponent of what pretentious academics call “low culture” — the fast-food joints, sex clubs, and novelty shops that are such “eyesores” to Nicolaus Mills of the Christian Science Monitor. Remember Britney Spears’ recent #1 hit “3″ — a song about a one-girl/two-guy threesome — with its immortal line “Livin’ in sin is the new thing”? That’s what Islam needs.

It’s not just Mr. Mills of the Monitor who is engaging in this nonsense. Run a simple Google search and you’ll find thousands of supporters of the mosque project complaining about the strip club. The right can take solace from this fact, I suppose: beyond allowing their teenage daughters to use birth control, the left is basically as sexually hung up as the right is. But the fact that there are strip clubs near Ground Zero is precisely why we shouldn’t promote mosques nearby. What an ugly contrast: a shrine to an ancient book of myths juxtaposed with sexual freedom. What better way to demonstrate our differences with Islamic totalitarianism than to declare proudly that we, as a culture, are okay with sexual expression? Let’s ditch this mosque and build another sex store.”

Read more: Daily Caller – Instead of Mosques Build More Sex Stores!

Ground Zero Mosque — UK Atheist Pat Condell pulls no punches

That irrepressible English atheist Pat Condell on the Ground Zero mosque — or ah, “community center”, with a “prayer room” of course, on the top two floors… He speaks the bare and scorching truth far better than I can, and as usual, pulls no punches.

And, this newer video, also incendiary in its truth telling… “Bad Faith at Ground Zero” where he highlights Mayor Bloomberg’s financial interests in Dubai connected with Sharia finance.

No Ground Zero Mosque

Of course, I’ve been watching the Mosque at Ground Zero controversy closely for some time, even a bit before it burst into the scene of most people’s awareness apparently. Before the ridiculous rant by Keith Olbermann hit the interwebs where he goes on about how the mosque is NOT a mosque at all, but actually a “cultural center’ with um, a “prayer room” on one of the many floors. Prayer room? Ah, I think that is where Muslims pray and that would make this a mosque sir. But whether you want to call it a Mosque, a “cultural center”, or just “Park 51” it is a controversy and building. While it is certainly the “right” of Muslims to build any kind of religious structure they wish to, and the government cannot shut them down, since we do have religious freedom in this country, that doesn’t mean – it is actually a good idea. Any half-assed study of Islam can tell you that when Islam achieves a victory, they erect a triumphalist monument to that victory, often a mosque where a church once was, or in the case of Jerusalem, the “Dome of the Rock” where the Jewish “Temple Mount” once stood. This mosque is sure to look like victory to Jihadis and sympathizers worldwide, and – they are worldwide.

Christopher Hitchens was initially very skeptical of many of the critics of the proposed mosque, however, after looking more closely at Imam Rauf’s actual views he writes:

I do not find myself reassured by the fact that Imam Rauf publicly endorses the most extreme and repressive version of Muslim theocracy. The letterhead of the statement, incidentally, describes him as the Cordoba Initiative’s “Founder and Visionary.” Why does that not delight me, either?

Emboldened by the crass nature of the opposition to the center, its defenders have started to talk as if it represented no problem at all and as if the question were solely one of religious tolerance. It would be nice if this were true. But tolerance is one of the first and most awkward questions raised by any examination of Islamism. We are wrong to talk as if the only subject was that of terrorism. As Western Europe has already found to its cost, local Muslim leaders have a habit, once they feel strong enough, of making demands of the most intolerant kind. Sometimes it will be calls for censorship of anything “offensive” to Islam. Sometimes it will be demands for sexual segregation in schools and swimming pools. The script is becoming a very familiar one. And those who make such demands are of course usually quite careful to avoid any association with violence. They merely hint that, if their demands are not taken seriously, there just might be a teeny smidgeon of violence from some other unnamed quarter …

The above is thanks to Jihad Watch which I highly recommend!

And, here the article quoted from Slate – A Test of Tolerance
The “Ground Zero mosque” debate is about tolerance—and a whole lot more

No, Rauf’s views are not actually reassuring, I agree with Hitchens, and also with Irshad Manji. She is a lesbian Muslim who urgently desires reform of Islam and has a thoughtful, fair-minded opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal , she expresses her own emotions regarding the construction of this cultural center and mosque and asks important questions of Imam Rauf, I quote:

“Now apply this point to Park51, the proposed multistory Islamic community center and prayer space to be erected at the edge of Ground Zero. Let me be blunt about my own emotions: I am offended by its proximity to the site of 9/11. I am also disappointed that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf—who is not an Islamist—has nonetheless played crass politics unbecoming of a man of dialogue.

So far, the imam has rebuffed accusations of insensitivity. Yet he made those very accusations about the Danish cartoons of Prophet Muhammad. In a February 2006 press release, Imam Rauf announced that he was “appalled” by the drawings. He called it “willful fomentation” and “gratuitous” to republish them throughout Europe. In the following weeks, almost no U.S. newspaper printed the caricatures…

…That means setting aside bombast and asking the imam questions born of the highest American ideals: individual dignity and pluralism of ideas.

• Will the swimming pool at Park51 be segregated between men and women at any time of the day or night?

• May women lead congregational prayers any day of the week?

• Will Jews and Christians, fellow People of the Book, be able to use the prayer sanctuary for their services just as Muslims share prayer space with Christians and Jews in the Pentagon? (Spare me the technocratic argument that the Pentagon is a governmental, not private, building. Park51 may be private in the legal sense but is a public symbol par excellence.)

• What will be taught about homosexuals? About agnostics? About atheists? About apostasy?

• Where does one sign up for advance tickets to Salman Rushdie’s lecture at Park51?”

Here, the full article:
A Muslim Reformer on the Mosque

However, as to Rauf’s worldview I tend to agree more with Andy McCarthy that most likely Imam Rauf * is * an Islamist, although he may not be an actual * terrorist *. Here:

Omitting any mention of Imam Feisal Rauf’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, his praise for the principles of Khomeini’s 1979 Iranian revolution, his refusal to condemn Hamas, and his promotion of sharia

My own feeling, no ground zero Mosque/cultural center – period. I will echo Manji but with a difference… I don’t want to wait and see what this place will be, I am already certain it will not be a place of liberal Islam. Let them build it somewhere else, as they are free to. Let them build their “cultural center” and “prayer space” with good intentions toward reform of Islam away from terror and hatred of the west and western values – of human rights. With acceptance of the rights of women and at least, away from believing that gays and lesbians should be executed. Let them build it with the intention to stop murderous jihad all over the world, in the Philipines, in the Sudan, in Nigeria, Somalia, India, in the United States, the Middle East, in Russia and in the UK and the entire EU – in Canada. Let them call for Iran to stop murdering its own dissidents.